Real couples therapy, one session at a time.
Sit in the therapy room with licensed therapist Julie Menanno as she guides real couples out of the anxious–avoidant cycle and into secure, lasting love.
Using Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) and attachment theory, each episode unpacks the negative cycles, old wounds, and communication breakdowns underneath everyday conflict — and shows you exactly how change happens.
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Every episode is grounded in the same attachment tools we teach across the site. Follow a thread that speaks to your relationship:
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Are you and your partner open to exploring your relationship with guidance from Julie Menanno while helping others learn through your journey? We're looking for couples for an upcoming season of real-time recorded sessions. Both partners must participate in the application process.
S3 | Session 1: Setting the TEMPO to Uncover Deep Wounds
This session introduces the TEMPO model for mapping a negative cycle in real time. A fight about family boundaries looks like the problem—until Julie Menanno pivots past it. Underneath waits the grief and abandonment that have been driving Rachel's fear all along.
Session 15: Healing the Wound of "Not Mattering"
Healing the wound of not mattering means finding the childhood fear underneath a grown-up fight. In Session 15, a sarcastic comment cracks open two people who are, it turns out, both desperate to matter—and fighting each other to get there.
Session 14: Moving Towards a Positive Cycle
Building a positive cycle starts with a single conflict handled differently. In Session 14, Bethany and Brian navigate tension without spiraling for the first time in weeks—then uncover the buried shame that kept them stuck, and how validation finally set it free.
Session 11: I Just Don't Think She Really Cares About Me
When one partner feels checked out, it's easy to assume the other simply doesn't care—or is being malicious. In this session, Julie Menanno introduces the 'they're hurt' reframe, a shift that replaces assumed malice with empathy and starts to soften a couple's negative cycle.
Session 10: Does it Get Worse Before It Gets Better?
Healing a relationship often feels worse before it feels better. In this session, Julie Menanno meets Bethany and Brian after a holiday break has drained their momentum—Brian checked out, Bethany walking on eggshells—and asks whether a hard stretch is a sign of failure or part of the work.
Session 9: The Knock-Down, Drag-Out Fight for Co-Regulation
Co-regulation is what lets two upset partners calm rather than escalate each other. In this session, Julie Menanno unpacks a knock-down fight sparked by a single baby-monitor text—and what it takes to respond with care when you're both flooded and hurting.
Session 7: The Original Wounds of the Negative Cycle
Every negative cycle has an origin story. Julie Menanno takes Bethany and Brian back to their core wounds, revealing how healing begins not by winning the fight, but by learning to see the pain in the person across from you.
Session 6: Can a Relationship Ever Really Be 50-50?
Can a relationship ever really be 50/50? Julie Menanno unpacks the fight over chores and finances to reveal what's underneath—Brian's need to feel seen—and how raw vulnerability, not a chore chart, is what finally softens the cycle.
Session 5: I Didn't Get Married to Throw it All Away
What is the cost of being the partner left behind in silence? Julie Menanno turns to Bethany's experience of Brian's threats to leave—and reveals how speaking from pure vulnerability can bypass defenses and shift the whole cycle.
Session 3: When You Get Scared, I Get Scared
A family crisis is the ultimate stress test for a fragile relationship. When their daughter's surgery sends Bethany and Brian spiraling, Julie Menanno shows how fear triggers fear—and asks whether they can turn toward each other instead of apart.
Session 1: Wifi Passwords & The Corny Suit of Vulnerability
Season 2 opens with a portrait of anxious and avoidant attachment styles in conflict. Julie Menanno meets Bethany and Brian as a fight over a Wi-Fi password exposes Brian's trust issues and Bethany's retreat. Then Brian does something new—he puts on the 'corny suit' of vulnerability.
Fear, Frustration and the Other Side of the Protest
Fear and frustration sit on the other side of every protest. When Melissa's dinner bid went unanswered, Drew felt a knot in his stomach and an agony he couldn't put into words — and Julie Menanno helps him find the wisdom hidden in that discomfort.
A Protest for Love: Fighting to be Seen
A protest for love is what happens when bids for connection keep getting missed. On their anniversary trip, Melissa's reaches for Drew go unanswered until she protests — and Julie Menanno helps her honor the need underneath it instead of shaming it.
Moving Towards a Positive Cycle & Understanding the Avoidant Partner
Understanding the avoidant partner starts with seeing what’s underneath their calm, keep-it-together exterior. In this episode, Julie Menanno guides Drew to the pressure he’s carried since his teenage years and shows Melissa how that insight unlocks real co-regulation. What happens when “just get it right” finally gives way to being held?
Unraveling the Roots of the Negative Cycle Pt. 2
Repair after a rupture takes more than a well-meaning apology. In Part 2, Julie Menanno and guest therapist George Faller reveal why Drew’s sincere apology only scratches the surface until he can face his own unprocessed grief and vulnerability. What happens when the negative cycle sneaks back in right as a couple starts to heal?
Unraveling the Roots of the Negative Cycle Pt. 1
A negative cycle in a relationship often has roots that reach far deeper than the current argument. In Part 1, Julie Menanno helps Melissa and Drew trace their disconnection back to an attachment wound from their infant son’s hospitalization. Have you ever felt an old conflict come roaring back in a small, present-day moment?
Finding Balance in Chaos: Who Gets to Hurt Worse?
When both partners are drained and hurting at the same time, support can stall into a standoff over who gets to hurt worse. Drew comes home to chaos and shuts down; Melissa, tuned into her own long day, can’t reach him. Julie shows them how timing and taking turns turn two hurting people into a team.
Handling Crisis: The Anxious-Avoidant Clash
Anxious and avoidant partners often collide during a crisis, when one needs validation immediately and the other needs to process later. When a hospital trip leaves Melissa handling the chaos alone, their attachment styles clash hard. Can they still connect while pulling in opposite directions?
Take me Out to the Ballgame: Navigating Attachment Fears and Finding Co-Regulation
When your partner emotionally checks out in public, you can feel completely alone in parenting even with them right there. At a chaotic baseball game, Drew shuts down and Melissa spirals — and Julie Menanno traces it to avoidant shame and anxious protest, guiding them back toward co-regulation. What if your partner’s “checking out” is actually fear, not indifference?
Breaking The Negative Cycle
Breaking the negative cycle starts with seeing it clearly. In this first session of The Secure Love Podcast, EFT therapist Julie Menanno helps Melissa and Drew map the anxious-avoidant pattern that keeps them stuck, unpacking the anger and emotional shutdown hiding underneath. Could naming your own negative cycle be the first step out of it?
