Real couples therapy, one session at a time.
Sit in the therapy room with licensed therapist Julie Menanno as she guides real couples out of the anxious–avoidant cycle and into secure, lasting love.
Using Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) and attachment theory, each episode unpacks the negative cycles, old wounds, and communication breakdowns underneath everyday conflict — and shows you exactly how change happens.
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Are you and your partner open to exploring your relationship with guidance from Julie Menanno while helping others learn through your journey? We're looking for couples for an upcoming season of real-time recorded sessions. Both partners must participate in the application process.
S3 | Session 18: Slowing Down the TEMPO to Co-Regulation (Season Finale)
Why does relying on your partner feel like setting yourself up for abandonment? In this Season 3 finale, therapist Julie Menanno helps Rachel and Mike reframe anger as hope and practice healthy assertion. Mike stays present while Rachel finally claims the emotional space she deserves.
S3 | Session 17: Fear of the Goodness: Navigating Peace After Relationship Chaos
Fear of peace is real: when a relationship finally stabilizes, a chaos-wired nervous system braces for the next rupture instead of enjoying the calm. In this Secure Love session, Julie Menanno guides Rachel and Mike through the discomfort of stability and into the vulnerability underneath Rachel's anger. It's a lesson in tolerating goodness, articulating needs, and healing the wound where reliance once meant abandonment.
S3 | Session 16: Too Sensitive? Healing the Belief That You Are Defective
Healing the belief that you're defective starts with owning the pain that others waved away. In this session, Julie guides Rachel to trace her feeling of being 'too much' back to a childhood where her hurt was dismissed as no big deal, and to a life where reliance equaled abandonment. She learns her pain is valid regardless of intent, and asks Mike for the emotional safety she was long denied.
S3 | Session 15: Two People Overboard: The Co-Regulation Conundrum
Co-regulation breaks down when both partners are depleted at once. In this Secure Love session, Julie Menanno returns to anxious-avoidant couple Rachel and Mike after a demoralizing two-week disconnection, unpacking the 'something's wrong with me' shame narrative behind Rachel's emotional walls. Learn why honoring your defenses—not forcing them down—is the real path back to trust.
S3 | Session 14: The Burden of the Poker Face: How Hiding Stress Hurts Your Marriage
Hiding stress behind a poker face can feel responsible, but emotional isolation slowly starves a marriage of connection. In this session, Mike admits the pressure he carries alone, and Julie traces his avoidant habit back to a childhood lesson that his feelings were a burden. Rachel shows him that she doesn't need him stress-free, only honest about where he actually is.
S3 | Session 13: Always Second Place: Fighting to Be Your Partner's Priority
Feeling like you're always second place to your partner's family is a painful attachment wound—and logic alone won't heal it. In this session, Julie Menanno helps anxious-avoidant couple Rachel and Mike move from building a logical case to sharing raw vulnerability. Listeners learn why an attachment wound heals through felt safety and repeated new experiences, not by winning the argument.
S3 | Session 12: Between a Rock and a Hard Place: The Cost of "Going With the Flow"
Setting boundaries with in-laws and extended family can feel impossible when 'going with the flow' has always kept the peace. In this episode, therapist Julie Menanno traces one avoidant husband's fear of disappointing his family back to its roots and shows how his passivity was secretly a plea for his wife's help. Listeners learn how naming that fear—instead of weaponizing it—turns resentment into connection and co-regulation.
S3 | Session 11: You Can't Problem Solve Your Way Out of Pain
You can't problem-solve your way out of pain, no matter how good your toolbox is. Mike's first instinct is to justify and explain, anything to avoid feeling like a failure. Slowing down the split second after a trigger, he finds the truth underneath.
S3 | Session 10: Why It Feels So Hard to Ask Your Partner for Help
Asking your partner for help can feel impossible when reliance has always meant loss. Beneath Rachel's righteous anger sits a heartbreaking core belief. Julie traces it from an absent father to the loss of her late husband—and toward something new.
S3 | Session 9: Resetting the TEMPO & Two Big Lies
Rebuilding broken trust starts with naming the two big lies at play. Rachel's intuition was right, but Mike withheld the truth—leaving her doubting her own reality. Resetting the TEMPO, Julie maps the anatomy of the lie and the fear beneath it.
S3 | Session 8: When Your Partner Makes Decisions Without You
When your partner makes decisions without you, the message can be devastating: your voice doesn't matter. A unilateral choice during a winter storm becomes a life-or-death trigger for Rachel. Julie's clinical approach to anger reveals what her 'sharp tongue' is really pleading for.
S3 | Session 7: What Will Life Look Like if This Relationship Ends?
Feeling dismissed by your partner teaches you to stop speaking up at all. A private incident with Rachel's daughter reopens an old wound and asks a frightening question. What would life actually look like if this relationship ended?
S3 | Session 6: When the Fixer Finally Puts Down His Tools
When the fixer finally puts down his tools, something real can happen. Mike looks calm but is drowning in a wave of failure he's never named. This session shows how dropping the urge to fix opens the door to genuine connection.
S3 | Session 5: What Does Your Fear Need?
What happens when anxious pursuit finally collapses into emotional numbing? Rachel has gone quiet, weighed down by the belief that she is 'too much' to love. Julie helps her unpack the grief and ask a new question: what does your fear actually need?
S3 | Session 4: Building a Positive Cycle from the Fear of Disappointment
Turning a negative cycle into a positive one starts with a new foundation of vulnerability. This session takes on Mike's family, where Rachel feels pushed aside and Mike's nervous system sounds the alarm. Watch what shifts when he stays in his body instead of his head.
S3 | Session 3: He Probably Wishes He Hadn't Chosen Me
Feeling like you're 'too much' is one of the most painful beliefs an anxious partner can carry. Rachel is exhausted and ready to detach; Mike hits a wall at her sadness. What Julie uncovers about the roots of his avoidance changes everything.
S3 | Session 2: Escaping to the Head When the Heart Gets Scared
Avoidant attachment shows up as escaping to the head the moment emotions run high. Mike explains, rationalizes, and tries to fix—anything to make the feelings stop. Then comes the breakthrough that reframes his entire pattern: 'I leave you because I leave me.'
S3 | Session 1: Setting the TEMPO to Uncover Deep Wounds
This session introduces the TEMPO model for mapping a negative cycle in real time. A fight about family boundaries looks like the problem—until Julie Menanno pivots past it. Underneath waits the grief and abandonment that have been driving Rachel's fear all along.
Season 3 Trailer: I Leave You Because I Leave Me
Season 3 of The Secure Love Podcast opens with an anxious-avoidant relationship dynamic between Rachel and Mike. She's a widow fighting to feel like a priority; he's the steady husband who disappears into his head. What happens when the anxious partner stops fighting and the avoidant one finally admits, 'I leave you because I leave me'?
The Season 2 Debrief: A Live Q&A with Julie
Healing isn't linear—and this live debrief sits with exactly why. With the couple absent, Julie takes audience questions about the season's difficult ending, going deeper into shame, regression, and the reality of real change.
